No Alcohol or Frostwire for Windows Vista
One of my objectives in reviewing Windows Vista is to determine what you can and can’t do versus previous versions – notably Windows XP. We’ve all heard of the DRM or digital rights management that Vista is supposed have built into it. Some have said it’s no problem, and others have screamed that it will take away many freedoms that we should inherently have.
So far I’ve tried to intstall 2 pieces of software on my new Toshiba laptop loaded with Windows Vista Home Premium that did not work at all, and I couldn’t believe the way that each behaved. The first is Alcohol 120%, a piece of software that allows you to burn CD’s and DVD’s. I use it because it’s pretty painless to burn an ISO image directly to a DVD. I’m in a cover band and we record the live shows, and I burn the video to DVD for promotional purposes. I have an ISO file that I use to burn dvd’s from when I need to create more. So – I installed Alcohol, and 80% of the way through the install my Windows Vista Premium goes to blue screen of death! Wow! I had not gotten one of those since the old Windows NT 4.0 days. It was a memory dump error. The laptop rebooted…and then as soon as I logged in – blue screen of death again! Reboot, another blue screen. Reboot safe mode, still blue screen memory dump. I ended up having to get out my Toshiba restore DVD and booting up from that – and then choosing “repair” and a restore point (just before I installed the Alcohol software) to get it working again.
Once I got my laptop working again, I did some google searches to try and figure out what had happenned. I saw quite a few forum posts about Alcohol not working with Windows Vista RC1, but not any about Vista Premium, or any of the versions out now. It may be that my old version just doesn’t work, and I need to install the official “Vista” version for it to work again. The problems with RC1 were supposed to be cleared up with an Alcohol official Windows Vista version. The interesting thing I found though, was that the problems with RC1 amounted to Vista having a hardware or driver “lock” on the dvd burner. Meaning, no piece of software could access the CD drive for burning cd’s or dvd’s unless they were certified by Vista as having authority to do so. This is why Alcohol had to release a new version that was Vista ready, and older versions of the software didn’t work. Is the blue screen of death just an error or glitch, or Microsoft’s blatant attempt to keep you from using software they don’t want you to? We may never know. So – the end result is that Windows Vista decides what I can burn CD’s and DVD’s with – and not me. If I’m using software that I purchased and like to get this done – if it doesn’t have a “Vista Capable” version then I’m just screwed. I hope to God that this isn’t something in the DVD burner firmware, and if I choose to install XP or Ubuntu on a dual boot – I have no problems.
Now – on to my second test, my attempt at installing Frostwire on Windows Vista Home Premium. Frostwire is a port of Limewire, a very popular P2P file sharing application based on Java. Looking at doing the dual boot on my laptop, I was going to download Ubuntu Edgy Eft ISO images to burn to CD using Frostwire. The software has very good legal uses for downloading – especially open source things, but 95% of what most people use Frostwire for is usually illegally downloading mp3′s and music files. So after the Alcohol experience, I figured that this ought to be interesting. I already had the latest version of Sun Java, so the install went pretty smooth. When it was finished I fired up Frostwire to see what would happen, and it tried to make network connections, and kept trying, and trying, and trying. After a few minutes, it would just timeout and say “could not make connection to the Internet, please check your network connections”. I tried both browsers, and neither would bring up any web pages. I checked email using Thunderbird, and that worked just fine. I checked my router, but since email was working I didn’t think that was an issue (which it wasn’t). All the other computers in the house had no problems with Internet connection. I opened and closed both browsers on my Vista laptop multiple times and still no web pages. Email was still working fine. All this time I had Frostwire open. I checked all the options in Frostwire, and it just would not connect to the Internet. I checked Windows Firewall and it was already set to allow Frostwire through. I didn’t have any other firewall running, and I know of no other place that could be blocking it. I did many pings on the command line to web sites, and they all came back with no packets lost. Even though I have McAfee Security Suite running with no firewall – I turned it off as well, and Frostwire still wouldn’t connect.
Frustrated, I tried to exit Frostwire and do other work. It hung on exit and would not shut down completely at all. Even when I tried to end the process. So I ended up having to reboot again. As soon as I did both browsers could access the Internet again. Thinking it was a glitch, I tried Frostwire again, but as soon as I did – both browsers lost Internet connectivity again, but mail delivery still worked. I did this many times, and rebooted vista many times. I didn’t find anything on the Internet about this, and in the end could only conclude that Windows Vista somehow locked down all http traffic (or certain ports maybe) when Frostwire was running. It was as if Vista said “hey you’re running Frostwire and most likely doing illegal things…screw that, we’re gonna lock you down…”.
So, until further notice there will be no use of either Alcohol 120% or Frostwire on my Toshiba Satellite laptop with Windows Vista Home Premium.
*UPDATE*
I also installed and tried to use DVD DeCrypter. This is such a quick and easy piece of software to use. I have 4-5 dvd’s of live band footage I wanted to rip some chapters of to the hard drive quickly for editing. It would appear DVD DeCrypter “does not have authority to access the dvd drive”. WTF?? This is my laptop, my hardware, and I paid for the software that came on it. I have legitimate and legal need to rip personal video I own from a DVD to my laptop and I can’t do it with third party software I want because it isn’t “Vista authorized”? Microsoft probably calls it protection – but I say you better get some protection, because you are about to get another screw job.
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March 16th, 2007 at 10:03 pm
Ah, so its not just me. I never tried Alcohol, luckily! But yea, I couldnt get Frostwire to work this week when my new Dell came in with Vista Home Premium. I sure hope Frostwire is planning to fix this, I even turn off McAfee and it doesnt work…
March 24th, 2007 at 11:13 am
I seem to be having problems installing a number of things with VIsta. I have always counted on XP and have never had any problems with it since using it for the past 3 years. Microsoft only comes out with new OS’s that only work with Microsoft products. Humbug on Microsoft
April 1st, 2007 at 2:41 pm
Had the same issue with Frostwire but when I right clicked on it and chose ” run as Administer” all worked fine. Hope this helps
April 5th, 2007 at 10:15 am
Ive got Vista Basic and frostwire wont work on my pc either. i think its ridiculous. we should have the right to use whatever software we want on our computors. we payed for them.
April 16th, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Is there any music program that works with Vista?
April 17th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
I’m not sure what you mean. What kind of music program, and what did you want it to do? A program for listening to music, organizing music, burning/ripping music, or what?
April 17th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
something like frostwire… one to download and listen to music.
April 17th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
why not just use Frostwire then?
April 22nd, 2007 at 3:34 am
On Bearshare you can download music. its not as good but im making do
April 23rd, 2007 at 9:49 pm
because it doesnt work and ive tried everything… i can download it but it wont connect, i disabled everything and i even changed the properties but it doesnt work. Do you know how to make it work?
May 29th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
As the user says above, on VISTA to run Frostwire, right click and run as administrator and it works fine.. Try It
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:58 pm
I tried to click on run as administrator. but it still works the same way. It still does not connect and it still says it is blocked by a firewall. even when i turn all the firewalls off.
December 10th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
I have the same problem, nothing in Frostwire works with Vista….
January 14th, 2008 at 7:08 am
****SOLUTION 2 USING FROSTWIRE ON VISTA****
i would like you to try this if you are having problems getting your connection status up from starting connection. Feedback on whether it helps or not would be greatly appreciated. Please post in this thread. But first try this: go to Frostwire > file > disconnect and then back to file > connect. That sometimes does the trick.
In your application data or preference folder for Frostwire, (not your program or applications folder) there should be a file entitled gnutella.net and this file should be approximately 20-30kb in size.
If the file is approximately 4 kb in size or does not exist at-all the following will explain how to replace it. Before making any changes to the Folder, make sure Frostwire is fully closed. You need do nothing else with the file .. just put it in the folder .. Frostwire knows what to do with it Smile
Download fresh gnutella.net file.
A fresh gnutella.net file can be downloaded from http://rapidshare.com/files/79756563/gnutella.net . Download this to your desktop, or somewhere you can find it. There are various sources for the file and some of them are dubious. This one is not. If you have a working copy of Limewire or Frostwire possibly on another computer you can copy the file from that application, to a memory stick, if necessary and use that instead.
Find your Preference or Application Data Folder. Note: this is not your Application or Programme Folder.
To find your preferences folder in Mac OS X it is in HD>users>your name>library>preferences>Frostwire, and the gnutella.net file will be in that folder
In Windows XP on your start menu click Run… and type in %appdata% A folder will appear, look for Frostwire and inside for gnutella.net
In Windows Vista Open any folder window and type %appdata% in the box at the top A folder will appear, look for Frostwire and inside for gnutella.net
alternatively:
in Windows XP the folder is at C:\Documents and Settings\name you use to login\Application Data\FrostWire\ and look for gnutella.net
in Windows Vista it is at C:\Users\name you use to login\AppData\Roaming\FrostWire\ and look for gnutella.net
Your app data folder is quite likely hidden and you may need to enable it to be visible. in any windows folder click tools > folder options at the top. click on that and then view then show hidden files and folders.
Now make sure Frostwire is fully closed
Now check the size of your gnutella.net file. If it is around 4kb delete it and move the file you downloaded into the folder in its place. If no gnutella.net file exists move the new file into the folder.
If the gnutella.net file is around 20kb you should not need to change it ….. but if you do and it makes a difference please let us know and also paste the first 20 lines or so of your old gnutella.net file here which might be useful .. you can post it all if you like Smile
Restart Frostwire and see if it reaches turbocharged connection within a few minutes or less.
PLEASE CONTACT ME IF IT WORKS THANKS
January 26th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
My gnutella.net file is 23kb–does that mean it is not the issue? I have also tried to run Frostwire as an administrator as well…Nothing.
January 30th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
This worked GREAT!
February 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 am
I found that running frostwire in windows xp service pack 2 compatability mode worked for me.
February 13th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
jus try replacing the gnutella file anyway Zaf and if the solution works lucky u
February 16th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I followed what AK1 posted to get FrostWire to work. I have tried everything under the sun since I got my laptop for christmas. It WORKS !!
BIG SMILE !!!!
February 28th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
well there u go f u have any questions just email me aliscool1@hotmail.com
June 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
Does anyone know how I can transfer my frostwire music from my laptop to my desktop computer. My destop has a bigger hardrive and my laptop has maxed out its space.
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:03 am
Actually Microsoft doesn’t clal it protection its called “Trusted Computing” where a piece of software (and later a chip, and eventually all hardware) decides what and what not you can do with your equipment. See this link for a short video:
http://www.lafkon.net/tc/
Once you start buying blueray or hidef products you are part of the problem.